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10 | RICHARD GROSSINGER – Anthropologist and Author “Bottoming Out the Universe”

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Richard Grossinger, the founding publisher of North Atlantic Books, received a BA from Amherst College and a PhD in anthropology from the University of Michigan. Writing with literary sensibility, he is the author of some 40 books. His writing can be divided into three overlapping categories: general experimental prose; books on science topics viewed historically, cross-culturally, epistemologically, esoterically, and in terms of pop culture; and autobiographical memoirs. The books range from long explorations of science, culture, and spirituality (The Night Sky: Soul and Cosmos, Planet Medicine, Embryogenesis: Species, Gender, and Identity), to memoirs (New Moon, Out of Babylon), to experimental prose (Book of the Earth and Sky, Spaces Wild and Tame), and science fiction (Mars: A Science Fiction Vision). Bottoming Out the Universe: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing will be published by Inner Traditions in April. He and Lindy Hough are the parents of Robin Grossinger, an environmental scientist working on urban redesign under climate change, and Miranda July, a multimedia artist and Hollywood indy director.

Richard Grossinger website

Richard’s mission: “I think I’m here to face the shadow-self, with an opportunity to transform something outside of time and space. More and more, I believe that life is a matter of honoring the mystery, while not knowing quite what your mission is. The trick is to stay true to it amid all the paradoxes and counterintuitive paths, and to not get swept up in any of the unintegrated realms of myth and spirit.”

Richard’s one-line message to the world:  “I’m not much for one-liners of any sort, especially in a sound-bite culture, but I was thinking today that when Rodney King said, ‘Why can’t we all just get along?’ it sounded naïve, sweet, and a tad disingenuous, but now, so soon after, it sounds like a voice from another universe, and that’s not good given the challenge the universe is putting before our planet and species.”

The SUE Speaks Blog Post about Richard Grossinger

“Richard Grossinger’s new book, The Night Sky, should be heralded as the publishing event of the decade. This is a book that has the power to change your relationship to the universe. I would even say it has the potentiality to participate in the evocation of a new civilization. You should know from the start that it is not an easy read, and I am not referring to the cutting edge science which is all presented with great clarity. In fact, the real difficulty in reading The Night Sky is directly related to its power, for to understand Grossinger’s vision of the universe one needs to open up the soul in ways that have been forgotten, ignored, and even explicitly oppressed by Western civilization for over 400 years now.

“Let me make a prediction. In the far future, when humanity has found its way beyond our present hyper destructive industrial form of society, and when historians are looking back on the 21st century to identify the crucial events that showed the way, The Night Sky will be very high on their list. I especially hope the young creative personalities of our time find their way here. To them I make one more prediction. You will have a wide range of experiences as you read. Sometimes you will be thrilled by the energies and structures of the universe, sometimes you will simply marvel at how much our contemporary sciences have discovered, sometimes you will be confused by the wide range of experiences and interpretations offered, sometimes you will argue against the vision in the book, sometimes you will argue for, but most of all as you swim about in The Night Sky you will find yourself exploding with new ideas, your own fresh ideas, new ideas sparked into existence by your interaction with this profound work that serendipity or just pure chance has placed in your hands.”

  • The changing times where people no longer read books
  • The arc of Richard’s work investigates 4 main topics: medicine, cosmology, embryology, and consciousness, each from a combination of scientific, anthropological, and historic and esoteric viewpoints
  • The journey of Nobel Peace Prize winner Nadia Murad
  • The depth of our misguidedness and being driven deeper to find our way
  • Bottoming Out the Universe : Why There is Something Rather than Nothing.  This is the next book of Richard’s that will be published soon by Inner Traditions.
  • Consciousness is outside of science
  • Influence on Richard: John Freidlander, meditation teacher and psychic
  • Is the universe real? Is it meaningful?
  • A run-down of Richard’s long history with Suzanne
  • Being human as the best game in town
  • Upcoming podcast guest, Larry Dossey, MD, and the power of prayer
  • What is the true possibility of massive transformation?
  • “It’s easier for humanity to imagine the extinction of existence than it is for them to imagine fixing it.”
  • Instead of looking to change the world, look to how to change yourself first. Previous podcast guest, Jodie Evans, is used as an example.
  • The absurd, the incomprehensible and cruel world, and the self sabotage going on


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Comments · 10

  • John Fellows · March 16, 2020

    Great conversation Suzanne.

    • suzanne · March 16, 2020

      I so enjoy talking to Richard and was glad to be able to share some of the dialogue we’ve been having for decades now!

  • John Travis, MD · March 15, 2020

    Well done Suzanne. I love what you contribute. Richard’s a gift

    • suzanne · March 16, 2020

      I was concerned about doing him justice and am so glad his “gift” got delivered!

  • Brenda Hamilton · March 14, 2020

    Richard Grossinger’s podcast and your thoughtful comments were real, from your hearts, and stimulating. I will listen to it again in order to be like a bee gathering nectar and not wanting to miss a single molecule. My book, Breakthrough to Brilliance, Changing the World by Changing the Way We Learn, addresses points about capitalism, greed, creativity, and a total plan which Jean Houston has called “Phenomenal, luminous, and critical for our time.”

    • suzanne · March 16, 2020

      Your work is so broad and profound that it would take a lot of study to understand it. With my keen interest in conversations provoked by what I put out, perhaps you could cut to the chase and give us a very brief intro to the fundamental difference in your fascinating model from how we conduct education. How about a comparison to the Waldorf Schools?

  • Jim Dreaver · March 13, 2020

    Good interview, Suzanne, with a man you have known since childhood. He needs to wake up though – to see the light of his true nature, that he is that light, as we all are. He is still too caught up the the “story” of “Richard Grossinger.”

    • suzanne · March 14, 2020

      He doesn’t pretend to have all the answers, and, in fact, he is in a period of profound questions. Hopefully, this podcast will be provocative to others, as it has been to you, to see beyond whatever implosion he’s in. If you had more to say, that would be very good.

  • Julia Stuart · March 13, 2020

    I loved this conversation…so many doors open / the light balancing the darkness;/personal truths being unabashedly shared… profound questions and individual surmisings being raised… Thank you

    • suzanne · March 14, 2020

      I looked forward to this being provocative, so I appreciate your confirmation of that!

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