Wow, Sherie, how sweet this is. I am attracted to outside the box thinkers since we’ve got to get beyond the popular perspectives that reward self-interest in the short run and threaten survival in the not so distant future. There’s so much more enlightened thinking to be found, and the challenge is for the majority to tune in — which even feels a little funny that it is a challenge since I’d think it would be so obvious how things need to change. Maybe we’ll be like the Berlin wall, where although seemingly it was all of a sudden out of the blue that it collapsed, the pressure had been a long time building. One hope is that this Trump nightmare, with the challenges it presents to our very survival, will escalate the pressure to do better than what we’ve been doing in massively transformative ways. On the podcasts, I’ve tried to get people to speculate about what could create massive change, but it’s a hard question and I’m going to rev up my pressure on my guests to actually take it on so our conversations become more and more creative about what to do.

That girl is a force of nature. But you could take your place at her table, which readers could verify by listening to the podcast you did with me: https://suespeakspodcast.com/4-victoria-moran/

Really. Jodie knocks me out. I do think she’d get the nomination if she were onstage in the primaries, and the beauty of her stance, where she wouldn’t consider political office because power is too corrupting, brings tears to my eyes.

I find myself tongue-tied when I try to encapsulate Jodie. She is such a rare being, advocating for doing what’s right at hand as if she plays small, where in fact she is a huge player and all that diligent smallness has led to important accomplishments on the world stage.

So glad you were impressed by this super impressive human being. If she were running for President, I bet she would win!!!! But how interesting that this totally qualified person wouldn’t accept even if asked because of how deep she goes to where power corrupts and she wants none of that!